Curse

nevelo · May 03, 2007, 12:22 PM // 12:22

At the moment, the "Protector of Campaign" title is seperate from the "Guardian of Campaign" title track. It seems that protector and guardian should be condensed into 3 title tracks vs the current 6. Protector as the 1st rank, guardian as the 2nd and final.

This is honestly not that important, but I think that it currently makes the "Kind of a Big Deal" title track kind of a big joke. You can do the entire thing by completing missions for normal and partly for hard.

Along the same lines, I think that the "Legendary Guardian" title track should be split up into two ranks. 1st rank for completing all missions on normal mode, the 2nd and final for normal+hardmode.

Evilsod · May 03, 2007, 01:30 PM // 13:30

They were... people moaned like they'd just had there account reset. So they had to change it in order to make people shut the f*ck up.

freekedoutfish · May 03, 2007, 01:56 PM // 13:56

I would agree for obvious reasons, but its not really going to have a negative effect. The reason?

All the extra titles may have increased the number of KOABDs in the game, but it also means all the existing KOABDs can easily move onto the next rank of "People know me"!

I was on 6 titles before HM was added, now im on 7.

All I need to do is complete tyrian, canthan and elonan HM and i have PKM. Then im back to being one of the rarer titles.

Basically it still means you will have the rarer title.

nevelo · May 03, 2007, 02:26 PM // 14:26

Ahh, you know I was under the impression it would be combined to begin with, and I guess now I know it was.

Still, would like to see the Legendary guardian title split into two ranks.

SotiCoto · May 03, 2007, 03:20 PM // 15:20

I don't like feeling pressured into thinking I SHOULD be playing in Hard Mode.... -_-;

Hard Mode is just for farming.
As far as I'm concerned, the Guardian Titles are pretty much unobtainable.... and the Vanquisher titles are along the same lines as the 3rd rank Survivor title: An absurd joke .... along the same lines as shooting a penny in two along the edge with an unbalanced crossbow with your feet while blindfolded... in an F4 Tornado.

Dougal Kronik · May 03, 2007, 03:25 PM // 15:25

Keep them separate so those players that don't want to do anything in Hard Mode don't feel pressured into playing since their maxed titles would be reduced to the first level of a two tier title.

They should have a Legendary Protector for completing all Protector titles separate from Legendary Guardian.

freekedoutfish · May 03, 2007, 03:37 PM // 15:37

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Originally Posted by SotiCoto

I don't like feeling pressured into thinking I SHOULD be playing in Hard Mode.... -_-;

Hard Mode is just for farming.
As far as I'm concerned, the Guardian Titles are pretty much unobtainable.... and the Vanquisher titles are along the same lines as the 3rd rank Survivor title: An absurd joke .... along the same lines as shooting a penny in two along the edge with an unbalanced crossbow with your feet while blindfolded... in an F4 Tornado.

Vanquishing titles arent that hard. I have the entire training island in Elona done in HM for each area.

It depends on the location and the mass on creatures.

ROT (hoping it doesnt count for vanquisher) would be impossible though.

SpeedyKQ · May 03, 2007, 03:39 PM // 15:39

Merging them would make a lot of sense, but people feel really, really strongly about not losing they're KOABD title.

I can't blame them - If I had it taken away from me I'd be pretty upset.

So instead we have title inflation. KOABD isn't much of a big deal. I think you need People Know Me to make people's jaws drop now.

Dougal Kronik · May 03, 2007, 04:04 PM // 16:04

Even PKM is devalued now.

I'm Very Important is the minimum Maxed Title I would even consider wearing.

FoxBat · May 03, 2007, 04:17 PM // 16:17

People thinking vanquisher/guardian are impossible is good for the game: those titles might represent some amount of skill and not just grind. It's at least much harder to "powerlevel" or "farm" your way through than survivor.

Since they removed the requirement to masters all missions on normal, making it a two-tier title doesn't make as much sense anymore.

bhavv · May 03, 2007, 05:26 PM // 17:26

Firstly, adding more titles to the game does not devalue the koabd title track, it just allows more ways to get it.

Before HM was implemented, most people already had 3 protector titles and therefore 3 max titles towards koabd. A lot of people with Koabd, PKM and even IVI lost their titles when HM was first introduced, and werent happy about it. I wouldnt have been happy either if I lost this title track because ANET suddenly thought that the titles I already had werent good enough for it.

Therfore the HM guardian titles were reworked as extra title that you could max.

Now getting the gaurdian and vanquisher titles is a lot harder then getting protectors, skill hunters and explorers, so I fail to see how the addition of these new titles has cheapened/devalued koabd in anyway.

tenshi_strife · May 03, 2007, 05:33 PM // 17:33

yea all i got to say is not all people have all 3 canmpaigns.... kinda screws them dont it.....

freekedoutfish · May 04, 2007, 08:40 AM // 08:40

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Originally Posted by tenshi_strife

yea all i got to say is not all people have all 3 canmpaigns.... kinda screws them dont it.....

Sales technique!!!

Its not Anet's fault if a player chooses not to invest in another campaign. Anet has to give some insentive to players to invest in the other games, otherwise no one would buy them.

Owning the rest to get KOABD and PKM and so on, is one of those insentives.

MithranArkanere · May 04, 2007, 10:51 AM // 10:51

The only problem I see it that the Legendary Guardian uses the Protector titles.

That title should have two tracks:
Legendary Protector: 3 Guardians or protectors.
Legendary Guardian: all 6 guardians and protectors.

freekedoutfish · May 04, 2007, 11:22 AM // 11:22

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

The only problem I see it that the Legendary Guardian uses the Protector titles.

That title should have two tracks:
Legendary Protector: 3 Guardians or protectors.
Legendary Guardian: all 6 guardians and protectors.

In order to get the Guardian title at the moment, you're required to do protector or you cant attain it.

You could do Guardian first, and then Protector. But I expect most will do protector first and then Gaurdian.

I'd worry that if we broke up the Legendary Guardian title, it would cause people to not bother getting protector.

But then you have the issue that people can do HM anyway aslong as one lvl20 char has completed that game. This is where I think HM is flawed. You shouldnt only be able to do HM is that character has attained protector. And only on that character.

Atleast thats how I see it.

Would you want a person in your team doing HM, who hasnt even got protector yet for the same campaign?

They may be a good player, but there is a good chance they wont know the bonus or master because they have never tried it. That means their experience and knowledge isnt as good as it can be.

I could be wrong, but I think the guardian title is fine.